[Schevo-devel] [TUTORIAL] - Create and Evolve a Simple OO Application

[Ilias Lazaridis]

Matthew Scott wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> 
>> Mr. Matthew Scott,
>>
>> you should really stop this now and start cooperating with me.
>>
>> You cannot write, host, test, document, ... schevo just by yourself.
> 
> Hold up now... I'm not doing this by myself, not by a long shot :)

You see me writing documentation - and you start writing documentation.

other people would react this way: "Oh, fine, someone takes the effort 
to write documentation. I can concentrate now on other issues".

> I have, however, invested a lot of time in Schevo, including my personal 
> time.
> 
> By making the comment you did regarding freedom to copy your writings, 
> it became clear to Patrick and myself that the content of the wiki 
> should come under some sort of open licensing arrangement.
> 
> Your comment makes it hard to cooperate with you because it creates an 
> ambiguous content licensing situation.  

My comments _uncovered_ this deficit of your wiki installations.

I've notified you, that you have licensing situation on your wiki.

> By stating that your 
> contribution falls under the GNU FDL license, you will absolve this and 
> it will be easy to cooperate with you once again :)

Do you really think that it is neccessary to point this out?

To the person which has notified you about the licensing issue?

> The content that I have written in the "Basic Tutorial" is generic, of 
> my own creativity, and applies to many situations.  It will still serve 
> as a useful tutorial regardless of the specific entity class definitions 
> exemplified in the tutorial.
> 
> So I don't really see why I should "really stop" doing what I'm doing, 
> if it's toward improving the state of Schevo documentation and opening 
> doors for new users to use our software.  :-)

Simply because I've started to fulfill this task.

you can concentrate on other issues, e.g. solving code-level issues.

The answers I need cost you just a few minutes.

>> I've invested many time into schevo without beeing able to evaluate 
>> even the most essential functionality.
> 
> We've invested much time in exposing more and more information about 
> Schevo so that you and others can "evaluate" it and use it in a 
> real-world environment.
> 
> A common method of learning how to use a system such as Schevo is to 
> review the existing samples that have been provided.  If you are not 
> satisfied with what exists now, just be *patient* for more information 
> to be presented.

I have my own method of analyzing a system.

One result of this method is: Newcomer Documentation.

You suggest beeing patient?

see below.

>> I'm asking you once more for the answers to produce the newcomer 
>> tutorial.
> 
> I'm telling you once more that Schevo development and support does not 
> occur in a linear fashion.  Pat or I will provide answers to your 
> questions as we find opportunities to do so.

[Reminder to Readers:]

We are discussion an OO database system.

Some of the open questions are:

* how to add an 1:1 relation?
* how to add an 1:N relation?
* how to add an N:M relation?
* ...

I'm waiting since 2 days for those answers.

The team starts to produce "full-fledged" documentation, whilst not 
answering the above essential questions.

The team member reacts with tons of messages, instead of answering "how 
to add an 1:1 relation".

possibly the schevo-system is not yet ready to go into 'public'.

.